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Amerikaanse politiek

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Re: Amerikaanse politiek

Berichtdoor trjacobs » 31 Aug 2011, 13:04

HARIGE PROSENIOR schreef:
Charlemagne schreef:I wouldn't be so sure about that.

More Polling Trouble for Obama … Loses to Romney and Tied with Perry in Gallup Poll

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/08/23/mor ... llup-poll/

Polls are rubbish, though. And it's much easier to vote in a poll than vote in an actual election. Just wait until the campaigns really start and the GOP picks a candidate. The Dems will flee back to Obama in no time. Just look at Perry's results. Once it becomes clear during campaigning what a total nutjob he is, he'll only be able to dream of results like that.



Yeah - well people said the same thing about Bush - that he'd never get into office because once campaigning really got under way it would become perfectly clear that he was as dumb as a box of rocks and the dems would turn out in droves for Gore. Didn't happen.
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Re: Amerikaanse politiek

Berichtdoor BIG BABY JESUS » 31 Aug 2011, 14:28

Actually, it did. Afbeelding

While Bush did have his controversies, Perry has quite a bit more. It won't scare away the Republicans - in fact, they'll eat it up -, but he won't be able to reach independents and conservative Dems. He's a religious nut - one of the worst. Remember his Pray for Rain thing? His stance on same sex marriage and abortion? His support for an anti-sodomy law? He literally had an innocent man who lost his three children in a fire executed, going so far as to actively suppress a review of the case which would've cleared the man's name without a doubt. He also executed two Mexican nationals going against international law. Though he did get a hand from Bush and the Supreme Court on that one. He doesn't believe in man made global climate change. He opposes parts of the constitution. His railing against social security - so Medicare - won't go over well either. Oh and he had secession fantasies.

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Re: Amerikaanse politiek

Berichtdoor trjacobs » 31 Aug 2011, 15:20

HARIGE PROSENIOR schreef:Actually, it did. Afbeelding

While Bush did have his controversies, Perry has quite a bit more. It won't scare away the Republicans - in fact, they'll eat it up -, but he won't be able to reach independents and conservative Dems. He's a religious nut - one of the worst. Remember his Pray for Rain thing? His stance on same sex marriage and abortion? His support for an anti-sodomy law? He literally had an innocent man who lost his three children in a fire executed, going so far as to actively suppress a review of the case which would've cleared the man's name without a doubt. He also executed two Mexican nationals going against international law. Though he did get a hand from Bush and the Supreme Court on that one. He doesn't believe in man made global climate change. He opposes parts of the constitution. His railing against social security - so Medicare - won't go over well either. Oh and he had secession fantasies.



Er, no - it didn't.

Percentage of VAP was 51% overall and Gore's marginal win of less than one percent in the popular vote hardly qualifies as a ringing success. Many people simply decided to sit at home - which is why Perry has a chance. It doesn't matter if he can reach Dems if enough of them aren't motivated to vote for Obama, he'll essentially win by default unless the President can come up with something better than "well at least I'm not the other guy".

And please remember that many of the positions you're listing as proof of his insanity - anti-abortion, anti-gay, pro-death penalty in so many cases, anti-international laws/courts/UN etc., anti-science - aren't considered whack-a-loon or even controversial by many Americans, including many of the mystical independents. I'm not saying he isn't a nut, he is, but by US standards, unfortunately, he isn't. Which is why he is running to get the nomination of a major party rather than sitting in a little room smelling of cat pee, sending deranged letters about UFO's and Elvis sightings to the Weekly World News. The only things you mentioned that could possibly bite him in the ass at this point are the social security/Medicare thing, and his brainless yakking about secession. The first he'll probably walk back, and the second will be passed off as typical big-balls, all hat and no cow Texan bravado.


Edited to add: if his opponents are smart, they'll focus on his economic track record, which isn't that great, and refuse to allow Perry to define the terms of the debate with his culture war crap.
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